tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post5088123446023548518..comments2024-03-28T15:32:19.036-04:00Comments on Dungeon Fantastic: Negotiating with Monsters in DFPeter Dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14246000382321978462noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post-74621258949519605312016-04-09T22:12:43.089-04:002016-04-09T22:12:43.089-04:00Ask and ye shall receive. http://insidiousgurpspla...Ask and ye shall receive. http://insidiousgurpsplanning.blogspot.com/2016/04/prohibition-mob-position-of.htmlMr. Insidioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01618265328120837578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post-37315515546193924082016-04-09T13:16:38.585-04:002016-04-09T13:16:38.585-04:00Now I really want to read that game summary.Now I really want to read that game summary.Peter Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246000382321978462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post-16758090116853586162016-04-09T11:05:49.013-04:002016-04-09T11:05:49.013-04:00I found this (and the linked article on frequent m...I found this (and the linked article on frequent mistakes) really poignant because my players goofed BAD last session attempting to negotiate from overwhelming strength- by over extending and placing themselves right into the thick of danger.Mr. Insidioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01618265328120837578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post-12186813187736108142016-04-08T08:49:46.039-04:002016-04-08T08:49:46.039-04:00Yes, dungeon tax will get you if you don't get...Yes, dungeon tax will get you if you don't get it included in the price.<br /><br />I actually think -1 and -3 are <i>generous</i>, considering negotiations with hostile creatures. You can succeed - the Gesture rules let you do it without even talking - but you can't really be sure of success or if you got your point across.<br /><br />As for "specific wording," I've rarely seen a party that didn't parse negotiations down to the word. It almost always bites them when they hang too much on a specific definition of a specific word. It's probably for the best that languages limits their options.Peter Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246000382321978462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post-43933049475001112232016-04-08T08:43:09.669-04:002016-04-08T08:43:09.669-04:00Sure, it's possible. But the goal of Intimidat...Sure, it's possible. But the goal of Intimidation is intimidating people. Getting them to do what you want because you display a willingness to use force. That doesn't lead to long-term friend cooperation unless you follow it up with actual negotiations.Peter Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246000382321978462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post-13013919680120831252016-04-08T03:37:49.460-04:002016-04-08T03:37:49.460-04:00I don't accept accented gives a penalty, excep...I don't accept accented gives a penalty, except on specific wording. Id say miss by that -1 indicates an issue over wording, you missed that sales tax wasnt included or the like. Though it probably benefits you 50% of the time as sometimes you unintentiaonally negotiate a tougher, but better deal (getting tax included in the price for example)Unachimbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04873952842828774048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post-52986279889214070592016-04-08T00:10:41.702-04:002016-04-08T00:10:41.702-04:00In real life you can certainly negotiate with well...<br />In real life you can certainly negotiate with well broken etc. Ive travelled and seen people with not a single word negotiate through gesture, shaking heads etc One of the best tricks with negotiation is to say nothing while the other party speaks! The main problem is that you usually misunderstand what was agreed. That what I would consider to be failing by one or two on the roll.<br /><br />e.g. 'I've negotiated free access to the ruins.'<br /><br />Actually only negotiated access to sacrificial altar... uh oh.<br /><br />Unachimbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04873952842828774048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post-71707196387919090062016-04-08T00:03:36.520-04:002016-04-08T00:03:36.520-04:00Id also point out that Intimidation doesn't ne...Id also point out that Intimidation doesn't necessarily lead to fear.<br /><br />'He's holding a thermal detonator' leading to 'you're my kind of scum' is fine too.<br />Unachimbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04873952842828774048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post-54658998456234328142016-04-07T19:22:43.281-04:002016-04-07T19:22:43.281-04:00That's a good example of a good initial reacti...That's a good example of a good initial reaction backed by a solid negotiation, with real follow-through. The group generally has over-delivered on promises and promised things that were actually desired.<br /><br />Tom's right that the orcs would probably be tougher - the previous PCs had a deal, there was a violent breakdown or two, etc. You'd need to start over from a suspicious starting point. Not that it can't be done, but I think the best Diplomacy skill is Hasdrubel's Diplomacy-13.Peter Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246000382321978462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post-44499282945627691462016-04-07T19:07:15.204-04:002016-04-07T19:07:15.204-04:00 We chatted up the Behir fairly well. We chatted up the Behir fairly well. Vichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03268174879688628707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post-58412670264605547692016-04-07T18:16:08.458-04:002016-04-07T18:16:08.458-04:00You can always fall back on attempted murder, inst...You can always fall back on attempted murder, instead.Peter Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246000382321978462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post-22523531608738269942016-04-07T17:54:27.714-04:002016-04-07T17:54:27.714-04:00We're doomedWe're doomedThomas Pluckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17008022962076648740noreply@blogger.com