tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post8095390534854532787..comments2024-03-28T15:32:19.036-04:00Comments on Dungeon Fantastic: Wrong but fun? Is that okay?Peter Dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14246000382321978462noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post-49536620241076056192015-12-22T03:07:05.057-05:002015-12-22T03:07:05.057-05:00A lot of people like to play games BECAUSE of the ...A lot of people like to play games BECAUSE of the rules. Some like the rigid structure of a game rule set. Others like to game the rules themselves, finding loopholes and strategies to outplay the other players. For these kind of folks, any altering, bypassing, hand waving, or expanding of the rules seems to violate something fundamental.<br /><br />I fall in the camp of "I play games to enjoy my self". If the rules of the game are not letting me enjoy my self, then I don't see the point in playing. But, if I can improve my enjoyment with a few changes, why not? Obviously, everyone playing would need to agree to such changes. But, if that's how we play, then it's not any one else's business.<br /><br />The real issue is, that the RPG community tends to favor those that are the rules junkies. And they, in turn, tend to get into religious wars over the "Right and Wrong" ways of playing. So, someone that want's to try something, and asks the community about it will often get shouted at, and treated like a heretic for suggesting a change to the holy writ of the "Rules as Written".<br /><br />Of course, the issue of actually doing it wrong, often because of a badly written rule, or a simple misreading, is often a problem. Once again, we need a more receptive community, to help new players learn the games we love.<br /><br />Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02857101727053100364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post-43213629362398789312015-12-21T11:30:47.755-05:002015-12-21T11:30:47.755-05:00"Just expect weird looks when you explain tha..."Just expect weird looks when you explain that you love chess, especially the parts where you can deploy captured pieces on your side and you get to go twice on doubles. Maybe fun, but a new name might be in order. :)"<br /><br />Sounds like a Nightmare...evileeyorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08296632217198088455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post-17827726270432945632015-12-21T10:19:14.605-05:002015-12-21T10:19:14.605-05:00I think "You can have fun, but not if you fol...<i>I think "You can have fun, but not if you follow the rules" is a valid critique of a system. </i><br /><br />So do I. I just didn't address that in the post. "Played as intended, it's not fun" is definitely a valid comment. I really only was interested in looking at "Played not as intended, but fun" and "played not as intended, and not fun" not "played as intended, and fun" and "played as intended, but not fun."Peter Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246000382321978462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post-35761423889974796022015-12-21T09:59:30.124-05:002015-12-21T09:59:30.124-05:00I think "You can have fun, but not if you fol...I think "You can have fun, but not if you follow the rules" is a valid critique of a system. <br /><br />But also, "You should change anything to make the game what you want it to be" is equally valid. It just doesn't tell you whether the pre-changed system sucks or soars.ravencrowkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09315630554847698555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post-25380192122797364452015-12-21T09:58:57.532-05:002015-12-21T09:58:57.532-05:00Sure. At some point, it's not really the origi...Sure. At some point, it's not really the original game, even if you still call it that. But still, I think that's just a issue when describing it to other people. As long as it's fun because or despite the changes, I think it's fulfilling the main goal.<br /><br />Just expect weird looks when you explain that you love chess, especially the parts where you can deploy captured pieces on your side and you get to go twice on doubles. Maybe fun, but a new name might be in order. :)Peter Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246000382321978462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817710432110712270.post-91183943644319460872015-12-21T09:40:42.722-05:002015-12-21T09:40:42.722-05:00And yet, how far can you deviate before it is no l...And yet, how far can you deviate before it is no longer the game? Jason Packerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02240705069654358715noreply@blogger.com