Sunday, March 1, 2015

DF Game Session 57, Felltower 47 - Mungo vs. Vryce, Part II

This is Part II of a session suspended last time due to lateness.

Characters: (approximate net point total)
Al Murik, dwarven cleric (277 points)
Asher Crest-Fallen, human holy warrior (270 points)
Dryst, halfling wizard (395 points)
Vryce, human knight (468 points)
     Father Keef, human cleric (125 point NPC)
     Gort of the Shining Force, dwarf adventurer (NPC)

Still in town:

Bern Brambleberry, gnome artificer (265 points)
Borriz, dwarven knight (308 points)
Chuck Morris, human martial artist (303 points)
Galen Longtread, human scout (372 points)
Galoob Jah, goblin thief (256 points)
Honus Honusson, human barbarian (302 points)
Red Raggi, human berserker (?? points, NPC)

We started the game mid-combat, with the PCs about to go.

What followed was a slow-motion disaster. I'll give the general flow of the combat, but not a blow by blow. It was too long, too complex, and too messy to do so. The fight took almost 7 hours of play, mostly because we took it slow and steady and I gave people plenty of time to make decisions. Also, there is a lot of complications with a dramatically modified battlefield fought over by lots of monsters and characters with lots of buff spells and penalties to contend with. Despite the real-world urgency of snow piling up, this was something we did slowly. We did lose Asher's player early because he lives north and snow was wiping out his chances of getting home.

As the fight started, Vryce continued to back off, fighting Mungo. It started to go badly right from the start. He failed a Dodge roll and took a pounding smash from Mungo's 282 lb. giant hammer, but it was a glancing blow. (I dumped dice over the GM screen, for Mungo's 8d+24. He did 46 damage - average damage for 8d+24 is 52.) Vryce was knocked back, but not down - a solid DX and ST 40 from his Giant Strength potion paid off.

Al continued to heal Vryce, and Dryst continued to renew Great Haste on him.

A few more seconds of brawling, and Vryce landed a few especially hard blows on Mungo - and he went down!

The giant troll teetered and fell backwards in the flames.

Vryce moved forward, trying to push the advantage against the fearless trolls. He carved up a pair of trolls badly, meanwhile spending a full turn of his Great Haste whacking the fallen Mungo to ensure he stayed down.

Vryce shouted Mungo's line - "Give me treasure!"

Dryst tossed his last Alchemist's Fire onto Mungo, lighting him up, since they knew he had DR that was clearly sufficient to ignore normal flame.

Vryce continued to push forward, cutting down another troll. Meanwhile, the trolls kept moving in closer, but not into the fire. More trolls packed in from behind.

But as Dryst then got a Flame Jet spell going and blasted Mungo - and nothing happened. Fire immune? Uh-oh. Mungo started to stir.

The trolls moved up, though, and along with their numbers (at least a dozen and a half) they had two rust monsters, which, as Dryst's player has long claimed, are their natural allies.

Dryst cast Mage Sight even as Vryce started to back off and the trolls started to gang-rush the PCs. His spell revealed Mungo had a magical necklace worn as a bracelet around his right wrist. But Vryce was too far from it, and even then the trolls were pushing him back by weight of numbers and Mungo was starting to sit up.

The trolls rushed into the flames, having mustered up enough numbers to make a solid charge. Not only that, but two of them hoisted their rust monster pets up and held them overhead to avoid the flames, and moved in.

Vryce kept fighting, pulling back, even as the rest of the PCs piled out of the Mystic Mist to try to fight a path to Mungo and get that bracelet off (or destroy it). They never got close - the trolls moved in and engaged, and trolls behind them rushed though any gaps and kept the PCs rolling back.

The PCs fell back fully into the Mystic Mist, which helped keep the fight even. But before they could fully retreat into it, one rust-monster-toting troll tossed his charge into the mist behind Vryce, who stumbled into it and lost his leg armor as he retreated. The trolls followed the PCs.

The fearless (well, Unfazeable) trolls weren't scared of the mist, but it did obscure their vision, disjoint their attacks (roughly half the time they'd wander off in the wrong direction), and otherwise annoy them. It kept one of the rust monsters from every doing anything really useful, though.

The fight in the mist was messy. Right around this time Vryce was grappled by multiple trolls. Asher hacks the arms off of one on Vryce's leg, and was dismayed when the arms held on to Vryce and the troll turned and tried to bite him! Vryce kept breaking free (ST 48 for grappling purposes) but the trolls kept on him, one biting his hand and hanging on.

Once he got free of that one, Vryce turned and kicked the rust monster who'd wrecked his leg armor, and traded a metal-covered boot for a solid impact, but didn't kill it. Even as trolls rushed past him, he cut one's head off, backed into its still-fighting body, and started in on the next trolls to stumble into the mist.

The fight was a confused mess of Al healing and using Lend Energy to keep Vryce conscious and fighting as his Great Haste spells ran down, Gort cutting trolls badly before getting his leg armor rusted off by falling on a rust monster, and Asher and Keef contributing with lots of damaging strikes. Dryst made himself invisible (and even briefly made Vryce invisible for a split-second advantage in the fight, which did help for that second).

The trolls kept pushing in, making a fast dash through the fire into the mist.

Gort went down with a crippled leg and then was knocked out by the trolls. Al managed to fight a bit longer, having stuck his pick into a troll and then ripped it out as it turned, then struck him again. He had to let go to retreat, and before he could do more than re-grip and rip out his pick he was knocked down and dropped it. He tried to get up, but a troll tore into him and knocked him out. Mungo, having entered the mist (and rolled a 3 on his IQ roll, thus avoiding any re-rolls to orient himself) pounded him into Al-Murik-Burger with a hammer blow.

Asher, on the front lines, was fighting and doing pretty well injuring and burning trolls. But one got past his guard and grappled him. Vryce stepped up and took a couple swings into the grapple, something he's well equipped to do - and critically missed, hitting Asher instead of his target, and then missing his target. He hit Asher for 46 cut, well in excess of what he'd been doing with his 6d+17. Asher dropped, blew a death check by 1, and was mortally wounded. To add insult to injury, he didn't hit the troll.

Dryst invisibly floated up to the ceiling and tried to stay quiet. He was out of almost everything and was planning to run.

Vryce backed up - Gort was down and out by now, Keef cornered and driven back toward the ghost's bones (and he'd soon drop), Dryst not combat-useful, and Al and Asher down.

Vryce put his back to the wall and fought. He kept slicing up trolls, dodging stabs from Mungo (who was crouched in this lower area and just cheerfully stabbing into melee), and doing his best to stay up. Vryce started becoming unlucky, though - he missed a few Dodge rolls, rolled a few 18s (two in a row, falling down from a Dodge) and getting grappled. Even as he went down and trolls tried to pile on to him to pin him, he'd roll just free enough to avoid them. He even managed to fend them off and get out and drink a Dexterity potion, use a Shield spellstone, and drink some healing potions - Great Haste, massively improved Fast-Draw from the +5 on his DX, and his sheer refusal to quit helped. He fumbled his sword a few times, dropped a healing gem, and was stabbed at least 3 times by Mungo (6d+4 impaling, ouch!) One troll even tossed the rust monster onto him while he was done and he just rolled away enough to avoid the poor confused thing's touch

Finally, it was clear he was alone, Dryst had blown the fight (getting off Hawk Flight), and he was utterly doomed. So he decided to break out. He tried repeatedly to slam his way to freedom. His excessive speed (Move 11) and ST 40 helped, but the trolls rolled very well and while they suffered horribly from the impacts, they stopped him from getting out. The rust monster managed to make an IQ roll and touch his back armor, rusting it away. Trolls behind him clawed up his back and tried to hang on to keep him from running, but it didn't work. Finally, Vryce evaded a troll and ran out of the mist and into the fire. They followed.

He reached the other side of the fire and ran into about a dozen trolls - there must have been more than two dozen in the first place. He couldn't get through, and Mungo closed in, waiting for him to turn to run to smash him. Vryce fought, with a combination of sword swings, slams, and lots of evasion. He even managed in one turn to run past two of three trolls before the last one got in his way. He was tantalizingly close to breaking out, but it finally went Mungo's way.

Trolls started to land grapples, and fend off Vryce's attempts to escape. Wounds slowed Vryce and with trolls on both arms he couldn't get out healing potions. Mungo slammed his hammer into Vryce a few times, ignoring the chance of smashing his own guys (he'd done that once before in the fight, and almost did it a few times now). Vryce took a hammer blow that knocked him prone, and more trolls piled on as he tried to get up. Then Mungo grabbed him, for a whopping 8 CP (on 4d. I'm serious - 4 twos.) Vryce managed to stay up, but he never did get fully free of the trolls as more and more grabbed him. In the end, Mungo got another hand on him, and with over 65 CP on him (remember, ST 40 and DX 19) he realized he was in trouble. He tried to play dead. Mungo wrenched him free of the other trolls, bite him for a lot of damage (putting him well south of -2xHP by now), and Vryce passed out for real.

By this point, Dryst had fled most of the way back to the entrance.

The fight was over.

Here are some pictures:

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This one is Vryce's last stand. He'd never step again past this spot.


After it was all done, I gave everyone some rolls:

9 or less to not be eaten by the trolls. Trolls are gluttons and can eat anything organic, but I knew they'd be in a rush to loot and avoid the ghost, who could potentially posses a troll and I'd decided they knew about the cursed cleric. Plus you never know, they might choose not to eat someone right away.

If eaten by trolls, a 6 or less meant there was enough left of the body to be under -10xHP, and thus possibly resurrectable.

We rolled for Vryce, Asher, Father Keef, Gort, and Al Murik. Out of the five all but Keef failed their "not eaten" rolls - even Vryce, using Luck. So, they didn't eat Keef. Vryce and Asher, though, made their "enough left" rolls. Gort and Al failed theirs badly.

So Gort and Al were completely devoured. This taught us that trolls love dwarves. Ate them bones and all, right away. Keef, though, was probably too close to the scary ghost - and the trolls hurriedly threw rocks as much as they could to fill up the gap before they dragged away their loot and burned trolls and battered rust monsters. That would explain him.

Vryce and Asher they quickly gutted, tore into chunks to get lootable stuff off of, chowed down on the choicest bits, and then tossed the corpses into the dungeon corridors as they dragged off their loot.

I rolled to see if anything else came along to chow down on the bits - nope.

I had Dryst roll to see if anything else came along to chow on him while we was resting or escaping - nope.

Dryst was able to get Vryce and Asher's corpses out via Apportation, Create Servant, and then skilled servants to swim them out. I gave him a roll to see how well it went - he rolled a 13, which wasn't bad.

Net loss: Al Murik, Gort, Keef - all dead and gone. Keef buried under rock. Vryce Resurrected, at a cost of 15,000 sp, and Asher possibly Resurrected if they can scrounge up the 15,000 sp for him, too. Vryce may have some assorted bits of spare gear in town to adventure with.


For me, the funny part is that my players assumed we'd be finished in no time - after Mungo went down, they figured, the fight was just about over except for slaughtering the trolls who stood. For me, the funny part is that I expected them to get killed off about 4 1/2 hours earlier. Still, it was one of those "holy moly, Vryce is amazing" fights.

It can be appallingly hard to hit people in GURPS, even with situational modifiers. Vryce was often prone, surrounded by trolls, and being gang-jumped, but they couldn't reliably get their claws on him. His Dodge thanks to eventually DX 19, a Shield spell (for +2 DB), Haste (+3 Dodge), and Mystic Mist (+1 defenses) overcame stuff like -3 for prone or -1 for bad footing. It makes me think the penalties for cumulative Dodge might be necessary in this kind of game. I won't rule it that way, but that you can have 5-10 trolls trying to jump you simultaneously and Dodge most of their attacks most of the time while unable to Retreat and often while prone is really a head-shaker.

I think the "not eaten" and "if eaten, are there bits left?" rolls were generous but fair. Had they all been blown (and if Dryst had been killed and unable to help), it could have been a TPK. Had enough been made, maybe some would have been left for dead but not actually dead and been able to sneak out of the dungeon. Maybe. I figured this was a good way to let luck and the dice add one final twist to the whole affair. Plus, it would automatically kill complaints later about "Would the trolls have . . . ?" or "But what about . . .?" Not that anyone would feel that "trolls eat you to the bones and you're gone, make new guys" was unfair . . . but having the rolls there would have made it feel like they had every chance. Plus it let me be generous without handing anyone anything. They "earned" those results the same way they earn hit rolls, with lucky dice.

The actual results are interesting. That Gort and Al were both eaten means that something I'd never have ruled (trolls love dwarf flesh) is true, and that Keef wasn't but did were they'd toss rocks meant a second priest lies alongside the ghost of the bishop. A simple ruling about everyone being eaten wouldn't do that.

Speaking of dice, I continued to roll completely awfully on high-dice damage. Mungo actually hit for 39 damage with an 8d+24 strike - yes, 15 damage on 8d. He did 8 CP on 4d, too, and then 12 CP on 4d. Only a couple times did he roll above average damage. The trolls, though, generally rolled 8-12 damage.

Trolls are appallingly tough to kill in GURPS. This is my fault, on purpose. They are Unkillable, with an Achilles' Heel, and I've ruled you need to do at least 1xHP in damage from their A.H. to count - no putting them to -220 (aka -10xHP) and doing 1 HP of fire damage to kill them. So the best way to kill them is to dice them into bits and then kill the bits with a big, hot, long fire. So after all of that, there were only a few trolls lost permanently - the early chargers who spent minutes on fire, often double-soaked with Create Fire and Alchemist's Fire. So Mungo, with his HP-enhanced Regeneration, immunity to fire, and so on, wasn't going anywhere quickly, even down. And yes, the PCs dealt something like almost 1000 damage to him over the fight.

And he was fine within minutes, tops, of the fight ending.

We're waiting to find out if Asher's player wants his PC raised from the dead. If not, that's that. If so, and they can raise the funds, he'll be back (we already did the roll.) Al Murik's cousin will probably show up, wanting revenge (by way of never going back to the water entrance.) And we'll see how they re-equip.

XP? I'll have to check, but it's possibly 0 here except for MVP (for two sessions.) No loot, 2 PCs deaths, 2 NPC deaths, severe defeat.

All in all, though, it was a fun session.


  1. Good job by Dryst avoiding the TPK and being able to recover the remains of his friends. Nice to see that Vryce can be brought back from the dead. Too bad for the others, but on the whole, it's good to see Dryst and Vryce "make it."

  2. The mental image of all those adventurers being devoured is scary. Nice to see Vryce and Dryst surviving. Time to explore easier levels, it seems.

  3. You were more generous than I would have been with he after combat rolls. But its great that the campaign will roll forward with little interruption. Are you at all worried about the game becoming "Vryce and his amazing friends"?

    1. They made some unlikely rolls to recover corpses, for sure. And it felt fairer than just declaring all of the dead totally eaten and gone.

      As for "Vryce, Dryst, and all the rest" - yes, actually, I am. Vryce is nearly 2x the points of a starting character, and Dryst is almost 150 more than a starting character. So it's a little difficult to justify making up a character that isn't, basically, designed to buff Vryce and support Dryst's spells. I've posed some options to the players about playing a bunch of new guys for a while until people have characters more even with Dryst and Vryce, but I've only heard back from one player so far. We'll see what they decide.

    2. Another option would be to rethink the point total for new characters. I usually go with something like 25-50 points less than the lowest surviving character or starting total, which ever is higher. In felltower this can be justified by traveling adventurers hearing about the dungeon and coming to take a crack at it.

    3. Vryce and Dryst as Patrons would certainly be a great boon to any starting adventurer...

    4. Well, broke patrons, for sure.

      I'll post something tomorrow morning about what we've been talking about to deal with the big gap between the top two and the rest.

  4. Definitely an interesting session. First time I've ever seen an account of trolls being *scary* in an RPG before.

    1. Thanks! I figure they should be. I'm always disappointed when people either deploy trolls as just bigger orcs, or pack them all into a 20' radius circle. The DFM1 trolls, at least, are pretty smart, and if they act that way, they should be dangerous and hard to kill. Scary is a nice bonus that comes with anything that strong counted in "dozens."

  5. I like your lego dungeon. Cheers, Karl

  6. So far, I have used the DFM1 trolls sparingly in my game, and had the PCs face a fireproofed one that they coould only burm by deploying a character with a feature like wraith arm to drain the FP of its severed parts below zero (making them into inert dropped objects nerfed the trollwife's resist fire spell), but havint that troll smash and chew his way through a wooden barricade to get at them made them feel like they might not win for a little.

    1. Nice. Someone else mentioned once that the Stealth score on trolls is often overlooked . . . they're smart, strong, and sneaky. A troll doesn't seem too nasty until you've been attacked from behind, by surprise, to start the fight.

  7. Out of curiosity, did anyone try appealing to a higher power before they died? You know, the old ANgband "pray to the gods" desperation move when you are one tick away from death? The cleric might have actually gotten an answer!

    Also, all this talk of fire... does no one bring acid to the dungeon anymore?

    1. No, no one pleaded to the Good God for help.

      As for acid, enough to kill 25+ trolls, one a giant troll? No one has that much acid.

    2. Interesting on the no pleading. Seems ready made for those situations.

      Acid: Probably true in alchemical form. I was thinking more the acid spells. They dont seem too popular on spell lists for some reason. No one likes the spell reqs for em? Or is it that you cant do the min damage needed to bypass the Trolls Unkillable with any of the available acid sources?

    3. Dryst has some, but I think he'd used his Wild Talent and couldn't use it again. Plus, he's been focusing lately on getting the spells to Breathe Water and otherwise get into the depths of the dungeon.

    4. Acid spells are probably good if you know you want them and take the Earth and Water spells you need to get to them. If I were making a wizard from scratch for this campaign I might focus on those, delve into fire a little bit, and name my wizard something thematic to the destruction of trolls.

    5. It wouldn't be a bad approach. Corrosion damage is a pretty good way to deal with a lot of threats. Trolls, for one. Of course the campaign has featured a wide variety of monsters - ultimately delvers need a wide variety of options!

  8. You were VERY generous! Not only did they have to fail multiple survival rolls to really die, but the target numbers were pretty high I think. 25 voracious and vengeful trolls having a 37.5% chance of not eating someone is surprising and not eating them completely at 9.26% is quite generous, then they can use luck.... But the most generous is probably Dryst's escape by flying along the ceiling. You seem to have dismissed the impact of a sizable conflagration in a confined space. Magical and alchemist's fire were blazing over many square yards for a long time. The air near the roof of the cave should have been toxic and filled with thick smoke. I like that he tried to save his own butt first, but as a tough GM I would have pointed out the danger of what he was trying and applied significant fatigue from smoke inhalation which probably would have made trying to escape that way just as risky as charging past the trolls.

    1. I agree I was generous. It seemed like it made it more fun, though, and took into account all of the other things going on. The trolls had other issues to deal with - that ghost, possible issues with other inhabitants of the level, etc. They didn't have unlimited time to grab the PCs and do what they wanted, either.

      And Luck, well, if you can't use Luck to see if the trolls leave enough of you behind to be Resurrected, it hardly feels like Luck. Allowing it meant no matter what I set the numbers at, the players would feel satisfied that they got every chance they paid for with their points. Not allowing it would mean that some would feel like I'd handwaved away something they paid for intending to use in exactly this kind of situation. Still, even with those numbers, a few people got eaten . . . and who got eaten told us a lot about troll's eating habits. Probably explains why dwarves dislike them so much - not the difficulty of killing with fire in enclosed spaces but also because they're a troll's favorite snack.

      All in all, I'd do all of this the same way again. I still wish we didn't need to spend an entire session playing out Vryce's totally hopeless combat, though. It just took freaking forever for the trolls to wear him down, but there was no way he could win. It was just tiresome, like finishing out a game of Monopoly.

      As for Dryst - smoke inhalation is a problem that wouldn't have been a big issue for him. There was about a minute or so of fire. Holding his breath, moving along by Hawk Flight, staying high, etc. - seemed like smoke wouldn't be a huge deal. Plus I don't have the ceiling's ups and downs mapped, so I'd essentially be saying the ceilings was configured basically to make sneaking out hard. Besides, Dryst escaping the way he did was just the most expedient of the ways he could have cheated death. He's discussed using Shape Earth to wall himself into a cubby and support himself with Create Air or Purify Air while he regains all of his FP for a real escape.

    2. Oh, yeah. 1 second rounds. The battle seemed so long but really only a minute went by. I was thinking there would be feet of smoke up there. I don't feel you made any bad decisions. After all, rule #1 is Have Fun! I wasn't saying allowing Luck was a bad thing, just pointing out that it made the odds of failing very small when played on top of pretty generous odds of not being eaten completely. I don't believe Luck should be short circuited. Like you said, players buy it for these situations and I really hate it when a GM arbitrarily takes away perks paid for by the characters or earned with years of play.

      The Shape Earth coffin strategy is fun. I totally surprised my GM and my whole party when I created a stone chimney so that some giants wouldn't paste my wizard. The second time didn't work as well since the foes were earth elementals and had no trouble taking down the walls. But it did buy me a round of total cover to act. High level/point wizards are fun!

      I'm looking forward to catching up on your blog as work and kids allow this summer.

  9. This session was three years ago, and would have been the end for many people's games


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